Which top fighter at 140 do you think Broner will beat?? Provodnikov, Garcia, Matthysse??? Based on what we've seen from him, he'd most likely lose all those fights. Golden Boy moved him up to 147 because Paulie was holding a title and he presents less of a threat than those guys as he's over the hill and feather fisted, yet Broner still struggled with him. The thing is, Broner's success in the lower divisions was largely due to his size advantage, good matchmaking, and the fact that he was considered a puncher in those divisions. He no longer enjoys those advantages at 140 and 147 and his skill set is obviously limited against top opposition, so unless he makes dramatic improvements (doubtful), I don't see him ever being regarded as elite in those divisions.
Btw, Guerrero actually did make a similar jump in weight. He defeated Katsidis at lightweight then returned to the ring against top rated welterweight Aydin for an interim title. After that win, he called Broner out in person, but Broner wanted no part of it. Guerrero then defeated Berto, which led to him getting a shot at Floyd.
It was a little too fast. Broner would be great at 135-140, and still had some great fights that could of been made their. Broner was eyeing the bigger money, which is at 147. He struggled against Paulie, and arguably lost that fight, then without improving he faced Maidana, a very dangerous welterweight, and he got got exposed.
The obvious answer is yes in my opinion, although since he's a Haymon fighter it was probably Haymon that made the decision. To me he has a noticeable speed and athleticism drop at 147 and given his flaws as a fighter this loss should've been expected. I noticed it against the mouth from BK, but rationalized it away as him facing a quick and athletic opponent. This bout against Maidana took all uncertainty away as he's not a great athlete and by no means a technician. On the other hand what were they left with? Him woofing and acting a fool at 135 wasn't gaining him any traction amongst casual fans and nobody he would face there or at 140 could provide a big enough name recognition to catapult him to the next level. Beating Pauli and Maidana would have set him up with somebody with a name and solved Haymon's and GBP's marketing dilemma.
Where they ultimately went wrong, a mistake many boxers make, is not bringing in a real athletic trainer that could get him bigger, stronger and faster. 12lbs. of lean muscle isn't much for someone with his body type and weight to add.
@Stick & Move- I could've sworn I saw a fight night weight for Broner of 157 and 160 for Maidana. I could be wrong as I had it on a slow fast forward to get to the opening bell.
That's just show biz. Ask yourself if Marquez or Pacquiao are true welterweights? Probably not, but that's where the money is, so that's where people go. Broner is probably better suited for light welter because of his height. A win against Maidana puts Broner in position for a big fight against maybe Bradley, Marquez, Pacquiao. So I just think Broner had no choice, that's where he has to fight. The real problem of course was Maidana, he wasn't ready for that. If anything they shouldn't of matched him up with such a test so early, but they've been babying him. Regardless, it's not the end of the world for Broner. He's a good fighter, he showed he can take a punch against one of the best punchers. If he gets his head on straight, he still may end up a great warrior.
Although I firmly believed he was rush, it all comes down to Adrien Broner's decision to moved up. He thinks highly of himself and the beating he got from Marcos Maidana is just an awakening. He move up in ranking using his mouth and his fans makes him believed that he is that good. It's about time to put him where he belong.
Broner is not even a clone of Floyd Jr. like what others use to say but a fake product of wild imagination and make believed. For him to have the stature he enjoyed and the money he made in his fights is something he doesn't deserved except of course, on the circus side of it. Like Floyd, he also pick carefully his opponent at this early stage of his career. Who did he beat to enjoy the same accolade and be in the same status of those prime cut fighters? DeMarco who wasn't even considered as a contender by his own promoter? A feather fisted Paulie who he can not even beat decisively after all those words? Juan Ponce de Leon who others said got robbed? What happened to Adrien Broner is a work of Karma. Maybe now he knows that he is not as good as what he think he is.
By the way, I would like to add that promoters doesn't really cares about their fighters except some chosen one like Canelo who was groom carefully from the very start by Oscar but comes out short in the most important moment of his career. What they care most is the financial return of their investment. Canelo and Broner is not ready for the big time yet but Oscar have to do it because of his commitment to Showtime. He got to deliver and it just so happen in the expense of his fighters.
I don't think so, and I'm sure that AB was the one who decided to go up to 147lb. Plenty of fights for him at 140lb, GB is stacked there, so at the end of the day the decision must've been up to AB.
Broner isn't a small welterweight. He's short, yes, but he's a compact/athletic dude and holds a lot of weight in his shoulders and upper body.
I do agree that AB should be fighting at junior-welterweight, he only weighed like 144lb against Maidana, so he could shed that extra four pounds easily.
BUT, this is one of those things where AB is a big junior-welterweight and a modest sized welterweight. I don't think the jump in weight was too soon, I think the choice of putting him in with a guy like Chino was simply a bad choice.
I'd personally rather see Broner fight at 140lb over 147lb, simply b/c I like the potential matchups there a lot more.
I like the Guerrero vs Thurman idea BTW, but Guerrero blatantly ducked Thurman already so it won't happen (at least soon). Guerrero vs Broner is a good fight too, he can't punch like Chino and if he plays that inside game w/ Broner it would be a very entertaining fight IMO.
Actually Robert is more sucessful than Broner, he's actually a 6 time 4 division world champ. Broner was never meant to be at welterweight, we've all seen that in the Paulie fight. I knew Maidana would piece him up, idk why 90% of people thought Broner would beat him easy. Broner is just a trashy, ghetto, annoying, asshole who needed a reality check. He must have some issues. Either way im glad he got all this coming too him. He deserves it all all the negative sh*t that he's been getting.
Yes.
The difference between Broner and Guerrero is that Broner was a new up and comer, all about the hype which the bosses decided to milk as much as they could. The underestimated his opponent and now they are left looking for another hype job to build up.
Yes and I hope he goes back to 140. I agree Ghost was much more ready physically and mentally. Broner has a long way to go still.
BQ:] Did Golden Boy move up Adrien Broner to Welterweight too fast before
he was ready for that weight division? Basically what I'm asking here is that
if you think Golden Boy Promotions made a mistake in moving up Broner to
a higher weight division before he was ready to advance and adapt at 147 we
know Adrien Broner is a 3 time World Champion. Lets go over his resume he
has defeated Daniel Ponce De Leon, Eloy Perez, Paulie Malignaggi and also
Jason Litzau who himself got that huge upset win over Celestino Caballero in
reality Adrien Broner is a young, brash, immature and very arrogant boxer the
way he conducts himself at times is very unprofessional even when he won he
adds insult to injury for example, telling Paulie I left with your belt and your girl
that's very disrespectful and he had this loss coming he brought it all on himself
and what if he takes the rematch and loses again like Price lost to Thompson?
In comparison we got Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero who is a very good boxer he
lost to Floyd Mayweather Jr. this past May. Robert Guerrero is also, a 3X World
Champion at Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight quite similar to Broner
he himself made the jump from Lightweight to Welterweight however he was quite
more impressive he dominated Selcuk Aydin to win the (Interim) Welterweight title
and then, destroyed Andre "The Beast" Berto. Roberto Guerrero in comparison he
was ready because he is a more skilled and disciplined he's a family man who he
fights for his family. Robert Guerrero definitely belongs in the Welterweight division
so, in comparison Oscar De La Hoya made the right decision on taking the chance
and moving Robert Guerrero two weight divisions to Welterweight. I would definitely
like to see Rob Guerrero fight Keith Thurman or better yet Adrien "Problem" Broner.
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broner aimed to where the money is and he thought maidana will be easy...
besides he have to escape the beasts of 140, provodnikov, garcia and matthysse
now a maidana just sent him back to them
