> Joe Frazier and the sympathy crew?

Joe Frazier and the sympathy crew?

Posted at: 2015-04-20 
Other than denigrating Joe Frazier and claiming he was really, really stupid you have offered nothing of value to this forum.

All the people who run the US and the world knew Ali would be a huge force in politics and as a public speaker and had the personality to be as big and influential as Martin Luther King Jr and they poisoned him to keep him silent. The most influential and effective thing about Ali was his SPEAKING ability, and that is what he lost right towards the end of his boxing career right before his retired. If he still was able to speak, he would have had an even greater, massive impact on the world, but the people who are in power, you can call them the Illuminatti if you want, made sure that he wouldn't be able to talk again once he retired and stopped making everyone money. If you really think about it, it makes perfect sense. Ali didn't take any more punches to the head than any other boxer who fought as long as he did.?

Are you in any place to judge someone who beat Ali? May I also ask, what champions have you beat? Joe Frazier beat Ali in his prime, fair an square. Ali got the desicion in the second fight by using illegal tactics like holding his arm out and keeping it on Joe's forehead which is not allowed and in the third fight he clinched Joe 147 times which averaged at more than 4 clinches a minute. "

The fact remains; Ali couldn't hold Joe Louis jockstrap.

25 title defenses against 20.

9 years undisputed champion and he didn't struggle through most of it.

The most accurate puncher in compubox history.

Statistics don't lie.

Outside the ring Louis opened the door for blacks in golf, boxing and the military.

Ali gave speeches....

Let me first start by saying that I have nothing but the utmost respect for Joe "Smokin" Frazier. The guy was a legend. But like Ali, I feel he had some very negative attributes. I found the fact that people fall for the whole sensitivity part of Joe hilarious. The guy didn't even know what Uncle Tom meant. People keep saying he helped get Muhammad Ali's license back, but the guy could barely but two words together, let alone persuade Nixon to help. You all really think Richard Nixon would listen to Joe Frazier. Watch any interview with Joe back then. Its 90 percent mumble. Yes, he did help him financially but so did 50 other prominent black athletes. The fact that people ( especially people who have family growing up at that time in the south) feel sorry for him is sad. Since when is sensitivity a good thing. Just read the horrible things Ali had happen to him during the draft exile. Joe was crying on camera man. Guilting his adopted city, and basically forcing them to recognize him. Ali apologized (after the fight, then in public and also in private. Still Joe insist on crying about it. Making fun of the men's sickness. I got family members with Parkinson's. Ali did more as a champion then he ever did. How many hospitals and charities did Joe help as a champion.

The worst part is Joe criticizing Ali on his personal life. Who gives a damn how many women ali slept with. Anyone who really thinks Joe was a better fighter or human being then Ali needs to wake up. He hated him so much, why appear on camera with him several times. Just wanted to see his name in the paper.

The sad part is, and you all damn know this is true. Joe thought he was just as articulate and smart as Ali. He really deep inside wanted to be him. It makes me angry because I feel like this behavior will scar his legacy. As a professor in my school said ( prime reason I made this thread) " The fact that Muhammad Ali got to Joe Frazier so bad, just makes his legacy greater".