BQ2. Who benefited the most?
BQ3. How come there's no rematch of the Tyson vs Buster?
Douglas's style gives him an advantage for this fight.he was a tall boxer/puncher and frazier was a swarmer.this advantage told in the tyson fight when douglas's power was able to discourage alot of tysons agression while he was still able to maintain a good boxing distance at times when he needed.
another thing douglas has going for him is that fraziers bobbing style didn't take to kindly to uppercuts from a tall heavy fighter(see foreman frazier)
so would those basic styleistic advantages of douglas tell the tale in this fight or does a prime fraziers talent cancel that out?its a hard one
although douglas was on fire that night his power would still leave alot to be desired when comparing him to a prime foreman.on top of that douglas's attack wouldn't be as relentless as someone like foremans due to him utilizing his boxing skills and keeping distance alot of the time.
stamina issues were partly to blame for mike being knocked out in the douglas fight.mike stood up to a lot of punishment that night before being tko'd so again i do question how effective douglases power would be against frazier.
as i said it's a tough one but i think frazier wins despite his style playing into douglas's.i think douglas nails frazier a few times throughout the fight and frazier might even be knocked down but i think chances are frazier talent shines through and his relentless swarming style nullify's alot of the aggression by taking advantage of the distance douglas likes to create when boxing.i think his chin would hold up and his great stamina in the later rounds would get the best of douglas.Frazier TKO11
BQ 1
the buildup to each fight were on opposite ends of the scale.tyson was just making another routine defence were as ali frazier 1was a fan splitter that had been placed on a political stage.2 unbeaten champs both with their claim to the title.can't get any bigger.douglas/tyson was the upset of the century though.what douglas acheived will always be legendary but for me,because of the build up,the skills on display and the fact that he was the first man to beat ali,frazier acheived the greater feat by far
BQ2
frazier.frazier became a legend
BQ3
buster got whopped by holyfield and mike got charged with rape
Frazier wins because he was a legitimate reigning champion , not just a one trick pony.
BQ1. Douglas feat was greater. Ali/Frazier was a pick em fight whereas nobody gave Douglas a chance of surviving let alone winning.
BQ2. Douglas benefited more because the purses were much higher than back in the day.
BQ3. No rematch because Douglas loses next fight and Tyson gets incarcerated.
Frazier wins
1) Frazier beating Ali
2) Douglas
3) cos Buster lost to Holyfield and Tyson went to prison
Frazier was at his best that night in '71 that he'd have beaten any of the all time heavyweight great. He was in his prime, in his best shape and at his strongest. He also came in 110% prepared, plus he was ready to give a beating to anyone who came his way. No one could or could've stopped him.
BQ1: Ali-Frazier I of course! It was "The Fight of the Century", right?
BQ2: Frazier, because it gave him the recognition as the true undisputed heavyweight champ. Although he already held the belt, by beating Ali who was only stripped of the title but never beaten in the ring, Frazier solidified his reign as heavyweight champion.
BQ3: Because Buster was KO'd by Holyfield on his first defense of the title and his career immediately went on a tailspin after that. His weight ballooned and he just stopped fighting.
That Douglas had the perfect game plan. He used his jab and dictated the fight. His reach would be the difference.
BQ1: Douglas... Ali was undefeated but he was exiled and that beat him as much as Frazier.
BQ2: Frazier. It affirmed him as the real heavyweight champ.vhe was the 1st to defeat the greatest HW champion.
BQ3: He lost the title in his next bout before Tyson could fight him.
1. Frazier was greater
2.Frazier
3. The snake in the grass Don King was responsible for controlling the rematch, so he did not want Tyson to be the champ again.
Frazier would of destroyed him Tyson had a bad night when he lost to Douglas yet he still managed to almost KO Douglas
For me it's very simple. As much as the odds favored Tyson going into the Douglas fight, it was just too comical. Yes Tyson was the undefeated champion―the self proclaimed "baddest man on the planet"―at the time of the fight, but Douglas possessed major advantages in height, reach, jab, movement and overall boxing ability. It wasn't -that- much of an upset. He was 6'4" to Tyson's alleged 5'11" and he was also heavier by about twenty pounds. It wasn't as big of a feat as everybody initially thought.
Frazier, for his smallish size, gave away almost as much to Ali, outside of weight which was negligible, and most likely punching power and was still able to not only hang with Ali, but dropped him late in the fight. For me, Frazier's accomplishment was far greater than what Buster did. Oh, and one last detail to kind of cement my point: Ali was a greater heavyweight than Tyson.
BQ2: Frazier gained more stature in the greatness ranking, but Buster benefited more financially.
BQ3: Buster got KTFO by Holyfield and then went into hiding under his fridge and only emerged after eating his way into a diabetic coma.
Frazier would stop Douglas anywhere from 10-12 rounds.
1) FOTC. Ali was undefeated, and coming off the 3 1/2 year layoff, and Frazier was also undefeated, and in the eyes of many, not the true champion.Buster, who's accomplishment was great, was beating the shell of a very good champion who had not been truly taking care of himself.
2) Frazier.He was recognized as the champion, and held onto the title for almost 2 more years.Buster ballooned up, and lost his next fight.
3) Tyson was jailed, and Buster, after the Holyfield disaster, didn't take care of himself.
great question sir. I will answer this tomorrow.
In 1971 the Joe Frazier that defeated Muhammad Ali was a beast! He was not to be denied that night and wanted to prove to the world that he too was a great fighter and accomplished that task by beating the undefeated Ali. Buster Douglas on the night he beat Mike Tyson had the best performance of his career and came into the fight in shape and dedicating the fight to his late mother. He showed no feat of Tyson like other opponents had and was well prepared and disciplined. He stood up to Tyson and actually fought and outpunched him pulling off the greatest upset in heavyweight Championship history.
But would this Buster Douglas have defeated the great Smoking Joe Frazier at these points in their career? I don't believe so personally because Godzilla wasn't going to stop Frazier that night! If they could have fought I am certain Douglas would have fought well and very bravely but he was no Muhammad Ali and would have been worn down by the relentless pressure of Frazier and most likely TKO'ed late in the fight/ I say this because I got to believe that Frazier on his best night is still better than Douglas on his.
1. Douglas beating Tyson was the greater feat as I believed Frazier was going to win.
2. Frazier benefited more by beating Ali though he was never given the recognition he deserved.
3. Not sure of the reason why other than Holyfied was already planned for the 1st title defense.
BQ1. Which feat was greater?
BQ2. Who benefited the most?
BQ3. How come there's no rematch of the Tyson vs Buster?
